As I have ready now there are only supported officially 6&7 series in this drover set.

When you modificate .inf file it works fine with the rest of the card.

Quote from AndroidXP :

The only thing that really separates ATi and nNvida seems to be the driver support, which is from what I've heard vastly superior for nVidia cards.

You must be kidding Android,
NVIDIA just released 94.24 drivers after SEVERAL MONTHs.Thats what I am calling customer support.ATI update the drivers at least every month now.

There is always something wrong with drivers on both sides.Its not simply black or white for each of the brand.I remember times of GF2&GF3 series where was much less problems with the drivers.ATI CCC,which kidna reminds me CCCP,is resources hog but quite nice "when" it works correctly. NVIDIA old control panel is really quick one but doesnt fit what people expecting nowdays with fancy stuff.The new control panel still cause a lot of issues especially LONG loading.Its really not simple and I have been only talking quickly about the drivers.

When we talk about hardware NVIDIA lead a bit now in the top end cards but loosing a lot in mainstream where are made most of the money.NVIDIA has nothing to offer against X1950PRO.This is now in mainstream simply the much bang for the money.While NVIDIA might lead now with top end card which support DircetX 10,Shader model 4.0 I am really worried about the DX10 performance in like 1 year when full DX10 games will come.

I remember the FX line from NVIDIA which simply was llosing by huge way when DX9 games came.Was a bit dissaster for NVIDIA.Well ATI isnt better now with HD2900XT.Its seems either very bad optimised drivers as this card sometimes have performance like 8800GTX even almost ultra and sometimes loos against ther own product like X1950XT.Dunno.Maybe something wrong with hardware or maybe their really produced it in mind to support mostly DX10.

As I said its not that simple and every brand offer something.I am always choosing what has best performance/money ration on the market and really doesnt care if its ATI or NVIDIA.I really dont understand the people lile ATI,NVIDIA sucks.

I am missing 3rd option for vote.There should be definately one.
I couldnt vote for any of the option above because it wouldnt be true.

I know there is option in ATI drivers that you can make everything like black&white etc.I dont have ATI system here right now but I am definately sure there is such a option.I think thats the place you probably messed with something.

Gratz you fixed that.

I would close this thread.It will go waaaaaaaay off topic again and Scawen made what he needed to done.Make us informed.

Thats like 10-20 percent more then I get with A64 3200+(2Ghz),2x512MB ram,7950GT 256MB.Hmmm....not much more.

I am very curious whats you online min FPS when there is like 20-30 cars at the start.

I tried to reproduce it several times as well but no luck.

Thanks for letting us.I really apreciate it.

just for curiosity.

What FPS you get driving alone on BL in Single player?
Please also the same on Westhill.On both track using wheel view and no mirrors.

Give the min and max.
I am pretty curious to compare it with my pretty old system.

Thanks in advance.

Turn on 16xAA + 16 AF in NVIDIA drivers.

This has been already reported in Patch test forum.

Please could be possible to have total lap time visible all the time.
Its confusing not to see how much better or worst I did in next lap.

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:40.

Quote from AndroidXP :

@Shift+U fps, I can confirm that the reason for this is the completely turned off LOD reduction in that mode, which does indeed make sense for screenshots. Though, I guess an extra option in the shift+U menu to toggle that would make everyone happy.

Andriod,look at my screenshots above,especially with these where I am looking just at track.Are there any cars around.No.This doesnt explain what you said above.Seems the number of connections now affect FPS a lot in SHIFT+U.Its fine in other views when there is more drawed.Its really weird.

As you said LFS doesnt use reduction LOD in shift+U but it seems like from my picture LFS would still send these invisible cars to be drawed on the graphic card.This not correct in my eyes.Just my observation..maybe oits not like that.Dunno.

What bother me more is that SHIFT+F4 bug with black screen.

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:54.

Quote from wien :

I think LFS turns off any LOD and multiplayer draw optimizations when in SHIFT+U mode (For screenshots presumably). When you have 32 cars running about, that can take quite it's toll on the FPS (unless your computer is fast enough to handle LFS with everything on anyway, like RedRiver up there).

But do we need all such a machine(You almost cant have better one) to run LFS in all aspects fine?The SHIFT U is normal in W version which I have as well.

I dont think its connected to the lag which occured on server.When it dropped it was the same.I dont know whats the issue.I have with full server around 60-100 FPS with wheel view+virtual mirror and its fine as well in TV camera views.

It really doesnt concern me so mucch but I wanted to reported with as much evidence as possible.There are ofcourse much more important bugs to fix.

at least seesm LFS works fine.As I said I never got black screen in LFS with SHIFT+F4 since I played the first demos years back and now happend 1st time to me with W40.seems worst.

Also as reported some posts back shift+U is now completly unusable.Got 4 FPS !!!! (see attached picture again). Thats ridiculous.Its either bug or there must be done some huge optimization.Its not my graphic card being slow.Dunno whats the problem. Got thzat on Bug test 2 server.

EDITED:still on Bug test 2 server and 18FPS with almost nothing drawed???I really dont get it.Attached 2nd picture.

EDITED 2:7 FPS after the end of race and again almost nothing drawed.

I know the SHIFT+U is not so importtant but still something doesnt look fine with LFS.

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:48.

soory Scawen but I have bad news...
I never ever got black screen with SHIFT+F4 in LFS so many years and now 1st it time happend to me with LFS(please see attached picture).

I still hear the LFS sounds but with SHIFT+F4 going back to fulscreen I have still black screen.As I said never had that bug before but now with W40 yes

I was on the Bug test server and tried to type after i got black screen.Not sure if some saw that.

Now host not found on the master server???

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:18.

Sparky dave,

he can run it now at 1920*1200 now but the problem is he cant get it running at 32bit using DVI cable.It runs fine thru VGA cable.Really strange to me.

I will try to do some research around the LCD forums.Hopefully something might be find there.If I would find anything usefull I will try to post it here.

Hi,

I have just downloaded new drivers 94.24 from NVIDIA for Windows XP/2000 and I noticed FPS increase in LFS like 10-20 percent.To be honest I was suprised seeing that.

Geeting for exaple from wheel view without mirrors and in single player 200-300FPS on Aston track and 200-340 on Westhill. Resoltuion 1024*768,4xAA + 16AF.Same results at 1280*1024 but its CRT and I dont want my eyes to suffer at 60Hz.

The point is that the difference between 1024 and 2048 is not so big as between 512 and 1024 version of the skins.

2048 version doesnt make sense to be as selectable option to download.

You can extraxt CMX files to 3DS models so it so it should be problem to write rogram which would do it the other way.It works with CMX viewer

IF you are using ADSL then this might be pretty normal especialy if your service has hight connection ratio.

Got message when connecting to Bug Test server:

"Did not receive message from all players
Lost connection to host "

Also when I am on the host and I see message that new skins get downloaded,then there is small yellow text which just blink quickly(i dont see what is says as its showed like few ms) and at that time there is small freeze like 1/2 sec maybe less.Can be very bad at race(btw my connection is 5Mbit).

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:08.

Hi Scawen,

I have noticed strange behaviour of the servers after you raise the number of players(connections).

Just saw it on W39 test server full of people as well.When I see message "new guest connecting" after a short time all lag bars getting really high and it goes down after the player get connected.Sometimes is same happening when player left pits.

I dont know how this can affect other players,for example by dropping someone, on the server
but I guess something might not be correct.I really dont know if this can have some neggative effect but I dont rememer I saw this behaviour before.

If this doesnt cause any issue,then sorry to bother you with that.

I can also confirm the issue with SHIFT+U.FPS now drop sorry for that word but like hell.I have like 80-160 FPS and with SHIFT+U it drops even to 17FPS or even less.I am pretty sure it wasnt like that before and its not my computer.(Just qucik spec A64 3200+,2x512MB ram,7900GT 256MB ram).

EDIT:attached picture.Just 1 car on screen and 22FPS?Also it dropped suddenly few times to like 6 FPS There is really something wrong with SHIFT+U now.With TV cameras there is non drop from the usual behaviour.

Last edited by DEVIL 007, Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:47.

Might be your ISP or ISP of the server.
What patch you using currently?

Mayby Victor still work from bakery .Just kidding.
Scawen could make some "kitchen" progress again

9600 doesnt have 256bit memory interface neither!!!

256MB of graphic memory is plenty for LFS.I would say its optimal taking into the mind there might be some updates in the future which would need more graphic memory.

For example NVIDIA 6600 has 128bit memory interface but it could handle LFS with some AA+AF without peformance drop.Why you still want these ATI cards?NVIDIA 6600 should be used one at the same price of 9600 and have much better performance.